Thursday, January 7, 2021

Daring to Dream Big – Pros and Cons (2)

Are you pursuing a dream?

About six years ago, I wrote a post about the risk assessment exercise we go through when deciding to follow a dream: Daring to Dream Big – Pros and Cons (1)

Then, a few days ago, I saw a related question in Reddit:

Redditors who gave up pursuing their 'dream' to settle for a more secure or comfortable life, how did it turn out and do you regret your decision?

If you have a dream, you may have asked yourself questions such as the following, or you may begin to question these things at some point in the future: 

  1. For how long should I continue to follow my dream?
  2. If I give up my dream, can I be content knowing that I gave up my dream, or will I regret it for the rest of my life?

The Reddit question above triggered hundreds of responses, many very thoughtful, which suggests that it resonates with many people. 

For some, the answer was that giving up on their dreams turned out “great.” Here’s one example:

Turned out great, just not right at the moment as I am still job hunting after having to quit my previous job. Still no regrets though.

I went to college to become a 3D animator. Something I always dreamed about. I was top of the class, constantly won awards for my work. I honestly thought I was going to make it big. Then the final semester started and all the seniors were required to go to a special hiring event where tons of big names would be. I got my portfolio and resume copies ready to go, and spent hours researching the big names and their projects as well as rehearsing lots of practice questions.

It was devastating. No one would look twice at my stuff. Introduced myself, made some awkward small talk as they were so disinterested, then as I walked away they would immediately put it in the stack with hundreds of other portfolios, and not in the special pile.

I switched up my game. I started introducing myself with a quick mention that I had a background in programming (I did). Thinking that maybe that would give me an edge. Oh boy did it work. Suddenly I was getting personal business cards, phone numbers and emails, my resume was put on the special pile.

It was at that moment I realized I went into the wrong field. I was just a tiny insignificant drop in a sea of artists, many of whom were much more talented than I could ever be.

Finished up my degree and went back to college for a BS in Computer Science. Got my first job right out of college from .an internship I did over the summer. The job itself was heaven, and I really enjoyed it. It also helped that I made bank when I was there. Paid off all my school loans within 3 years and had plenty to invest and put into savings.

While it sucks not having anything right now, I'm hoping to find something soon.

Side note: The 3D stuff I still do as a hobby. Not nearly as good as I once was, but it is still fun and relaxing.

I have heard similar stories elsewhere, including at a fancy, large, dinner party thrown by a very very wealthy investment firm executive, and attended largely by other investment firm executives, company presidents, and the like. The occasion we were celebrating was a milestone birthday of the investment firm executive. You might be wondering why I was invited. Did I receive the invitation by accident? 

No. I was invited because the person throwing the party has been one of my best friends for over 40 years. We were both in very different circumstances when we met, however; we had just finished our bachelor’s degrees from U of Toronto (mine in humanities, his in political science), and we were working as telephone information operators at Grey Coach bus lines. I was immediately impressed by his intelligence and broad, encyclopaedic knowledge, which included a strong interest in music. We became friends quickly, and we spent many hours talking about all manner of things.

His dream was to work in the foreign service, and, in pursuit of that dream, he read voluminously about history and politics in other countries, particularly in Africa, and he took the Canadian Foreign Service Exam. It is hard to imagine that he did not do well in this exam, but he was never notified of his results. After waiting for a while with no notification, he decided on a whim to take the Graduate Management Admission Test (GMAT), which is required for applicants to MBA programmes in Canadian universities. He scored very well – no surprise –  AND he was notified of his results (a bonus! 🥳), so he applied to some MBA programmes, and was admitted. He now runs a very successful investment firm.

He gave up his dream and decided on a different path mostly on a whim, and ended up doing so well in it that he has no regrets whatsoever. 

This was similar to some of the stories told by other people seated at my table at this dinner party, some of whom had aspired to be musicians when they were young, but these aspirations had not worked out. They were all so successful in business ventures that they lived privileged and comfortable lives, and had, apparently, no regrets at all about giving up on their initial dreams.

It would appear from this that if you give up your dream but end up making a lot of money, it makes it much easier to have no regrets about your decision. I don’t know if money can buy love or not, but it can sure make life a lot more comfortable, which in turn can make it easier to find partners willing to share their lives with you.

Here’s another Redditor’s experience:

This is EXACTLY why I left the VFX industry. It fucking sucks. There is no work life balance. It’s 90+ hour weeks non-stop. Then the project ends and you’re jobless. “Good luck man. Thanks for the hard work.” Now you most likely are going to find the next project in another state and have to move the family.

I was top of my game and getting paid really well. Won an Emmy and some golden globes, one of my projects got nominated for an Oscar, built a AAA game and I can tell you with zero hesitation that none of that shit means anything.

Every time I hear kids that want to get into VFX or games... I stop them dead in their tracks with advice they need to hear, not want to hear.

Oh and a word of advice to anyone in any industry but especially VFX, it’s ALL about who you know. So get used to buttering up people.

Sooooo glad I left.

The message here is that sometimes your dream can turn into a nightmare, or at least into something that you weren’t expecting. Having one’s dream turn into something we weren’t expecting is probably extremely common, because we generally don’t have an accurate sense of what our dream job will entail until we actually start doing the job. 

Not having an accurate sense of what our dream will entail is not necessarily a bad thing, however. I knew that being a professor would involve teaching and creative activities (composition, my case), but I didn’t realize how much committee work there is, or how onerous it can be. However, it is part of a job that I’m lucky to have, and I realize that committee work is very important too, so I’m fine with it. 

Some people discover that they are really good at administration and they enjoy it, which can lead to a change in career path from professor to administrator (dean, associate dean, president, vice-president, etc.). The dream can change along the way, and usually does.

More problematic, however, is that for me the process of becoming a professor involved 15 years of poverty after finishing my BA, which contributed to high stress levels, the demise of my first marriage, depression, and a general sense of “why the hell am I doing this?” much of the time. I still don’t know why I stuck with it for as long as I did, except that I was convinced I could be both a good composer and a good teacher because I had had rewarding experiences in both areas. However, by the time I turned 35 I had pretty much reached the point of deciding that I could not keep doing this much longer and needed to refocus my aspirations on a plan B or C. 

It’s one thing to be poor in your early twenties, but it becomes harder to live with the older you get. 

Plan B, by the way, was to keep doing what I was doing, which was teaching at the Royal Conservatory of Music for below poverty-line wages while being part of a composer's collective that put on about 4 concerts a year of our music, some of which were picked up by the CBC. Plan B kind of sucked when it came to making a living, but at least I got to do things that I enjoyed. Plan C was to find out how to get a realtor's license and sell real estate.

Then, improbably, fortune smiled on me: At the age of 35 I was hired to teach composition, theory, electronic music, and orchestration at MUN, and I won prizes at a couple of composition contests that year. 

This is from a Redditor who abandoned the dream of an academic career:

I left after half a PhD in English. I think the moment I checked out was watching my tiny, 76YO professor totter home from the office at 10pm. She had probably taken a 16-hour work day. "You mean I have to work this hard, only to earn the privilege of working that hard?" I thought to myself.

That, and the fact that the work was colonizing every waking hour, and that I was not coping in healthy ways.

I still miss lots of things about it. I made some of my very best friends in graduate school, and I felt like I was part of a community. Now, I often feel like I'm wasting my life making someone else money.

On the other hand, I've been able to travel all over the world, thanks to the income I get. I'm married, own my own home, and I just had my first child. So things are very, very good. Maybe one day I'll find work that is fulfilling.

EDIT: I work as a technical writer, which is a career path I can definitely recommend for those who went down the same path I did. Many are asking for friends and relatives studying English, and regardless of whether they pursue the career, studying technical writing will improve concision, audience analysis, and clarity. I cannot recommend it enough.

For what it’s worth, the suggestion that academics normally work 16-hour days seems a wild exaggeration, at least in my experience. The normal workload for me during teaching semesters is perhaps 8- to 10-hour days, usually 7 days a week. It’s a job where, no matter how much work you do, you hardly ever go to bed at night feeling like you've finished all your work and you're fully prepared to teach the next day, at least during a semester. 

On the other hand, once a semester is over and all marks have been submitted, academics have a lot of time in which to  pursue our projects, such as composing, performing, learning repertoire, writing books and research papers, or starting the process of preparing for the courses we will teach in the following semester. On balance, it’s an exceptionally good deal, especially since I love teaching and preparing for classes.

But that’s only if you are lucky enough to find a full-time, tenure track job. And if, once you find it, you succeed in getting tenure. If you don't get tenure, you are fired. That's something I didn't know when I was a student.

The great majority of people with completed doctorate degrees never find full-time academic employment. The first academic job to which I applied had 290 applicants. In many cases in music, applicants have won awards and/or competitions (for composers or performers), and they may have multiple recordings, but they may never even get interviewed for a starting professor position.

On the other hand, it isn’t very hard for PhDs to be hired by universities on a per-course basis, but per-course teaching is wickedly exploitative: According to a recent study, many adjunct professors (a fancy term for “per-course teaching slave”) make less than $3,500 per course and live in poverty.

I know people in their forties with PhDs, who teach twice as many courses as full-time professors for significantly less than half a starting professor’s salary. 

Therein lies the dilemma for anyone aspiring to an academic career; it's mostly a great job if you can get it, but it is extremely hard to get a tenure-track job, and sometimes, even if you get such a job, you don't get tenure and find yourself either unemployed, or employed as a per-course instructor making not enough money to live on.

For all of these reasons it was probably wise for the Redditor above to change paths halfway through his PhD.

Here’s a Redditor’s response to the original poster’s question that struck a note with me (this is a terrible pun; sorry!):

It was fine, but no one gives a shit if you're a professional bassoonist and there really isn't enough paying work.

I did it professionally for eight years before quitting to raise kids. Now I work in IT. If I had to do it over again I'd have just gotten a real job and not put so much time into an instrument that I don't like playing.

Ouch!

Pro Tip: If you don’t like playing the bassoon, then do not pursue a performance career as a bassoonist.

If, on the other hand, you love playing your instrument but can’t find a full-time paying job as a performer, you have many options, such as:

  1. Playing in an amateur or semi-professional (mix of pros and amateurs) orchestra/ensemble;
  2. Making fun YouTube videos of you playing your instrument, possibly with backing tracks, or double tracking (playing two or more different parts on separate tracks);
  3. Teaching – Private lessons;
  4. Teaching – K-12 (for this you will need an education degree);
  5. Consider becoming a music librarian (I know at least three people who did this, and they love their jobs);
  6. Starting a chamber music ensemble made up of fellow music-lovers who can’t find full-time employment as performers;
  7. Organizing a chamber music concert that involves amateur musicians, mostly;
  8. Arrange music for your instrument and play it on-line;
  9. Compose music for your instrument and perform it on-line, etc.

Most of these are not remunerative, but some are, and they all provide opportunities to continue being musically active for those that love music.


Lest today’s post sound like a suggestion that you not follow your dream, remember that the quoted Reddit posts are all responses to this question: Redditors who gave up pursuing their 'dream' to settle for a more secure or comfortable life, how did it turn out and do you regret your decision?

The question is addressed to those who gave up their dreams, and most of the responses reflect that

Had it been addressed to those that acheived their dreams, the responses would presumably been very different!

For me, this thread shows that at least some of the people who have given up their dreams have done so without regret, and, they have gone on to lead rewarding and productive lives. 

However, many people either achieve their dreams, or, in the course of attempting to reach their initial objective discover that there are other dreams they would rather pursue, and they do so successfully and happily.

29 comments:

Andy said...

Very nice post with some testimonies I can relate to. My English is so-so, but still, I like to comment on just one thought: When people talk about "dreams" they usually rather refer to fixed ideas. Sometimes I think, when focussing on "our role in this world" in a situation where our self-assigned rails lead nowhere, it might help to recover the psychic meaning of dreams as environments where we transit in a free, non-subjected manner, precisely because they are not part of the route or plan of a subject - to go from A to B - but fragmented landscapes, nevertheless assembled in such a way that they express a beatitude purely immanent to our just-being-there prior to any "significance" - because we dreamers happen to be correspondingly fragmented pieces of diverse strives and desires which escape the controlling monopole of the "I": we actually can be anything and anywhere.
What I mean, there might be a sense where "dream realizing" and "giving in" actually coincide - giving in, that is, to getting absorbed by the world's multiplicity, its any unforeseen events as each brings you to an utterly different place - just like in the dream - but making you gladly feel part of this "everywhere" where you are just so much and so less "yourself" as anywhere else.
The signs that tempt you to go from A to non-A may then be as arbitrary as they want (a juicy salary, a beloved person, a sea-landscape or your favorite menu), they all work just fine in making you feel alive, unconstrained dreamer.
And I just realized this way of depicting dreams is an eminent musical one. So yeah, even less off-topic. Still my apologies for the long-winded elucubration!

On a personal note, I casually found your web experimenting with RSS feeds and am definitely going to take a closer look since I also - again, very casually of course! - just got interested in a field I - more or less of necessity - neglected during my numerous other studies and now, after pausing from my not so satisfying teacher job, want to recover and, groping, retake; I talk of composition, of course. And I happen to have just started to study a very powerful Rennaissance-Counterpoint-book by my former teacher Thomas Daniel, which greatly deepens the historical Palestrina-line of Jeppersen (relying also strongly on Lasso). So another nice coincidence I found you worked on this also, so looking forward to check it out and regaining vibes of the purest harmony imaginable.

Unknown said...

This is such an eye-opening blog post. I've always loved composing, writing, and creating, but I've never really gotten into it as much as I have the past year. I think that going down this career path, while risky, is the right thing to do. And if I fail, I fail. At least I tried. I especially liked your quote about how sometimes "we generally don’t have an accurate sense of what our dream job will entail until we actually start doing the job". This is so true, I always thought I was going to apply for a performance major, I have been playing piano since I was 3. However, I took the intro to comp class, loved it, and had a change of heart. I watched a video over the summer of a show-runner for a Netflix TV comedy series talking about how important it is to have a plan B. I don't necessarily know what my plan B is yet, but I do have some ideas. Plan B and Plan A are of equal importance, when it comes to your financial and mental stability, respectfully.

Frank O'B said...

This is such an eye-opening blog post. I've always loved composing, writing, and creating, but I've never really gotten into it as much as I have the past year. I think that going down this career path, while risky, is the right thing to do. And if I fail, I fail. At least I tried. I especially liked your quote about how sometimes "we generally don’t have an accurate sense of what our dream job will entail until we actually start doing the job". This is so true, I always thought I was going to apply for a performance major, I have been playing piano since I was 3. However, I took the intro to comp class, loved it, and had a change of heart. I watched a video over the summer of a show-runner for a Netflix TV comedy series talking about how important it is to have a plan B. I don't necessarily know what my plan B is yet, but I do have some ideas. Plan B and Plan A are of equal importance, when it comes to your financial and mental stability, respectfully.

Unknown said...

This is actually a topic I have thought about often throughout my life's journey and especially within my university schooling so far. I've always loved music and ever since I started playing the drums at age 7 or 8 I dreamt of making a career off of being a musician and never having to have a 'real job' in my adult life. However older me in junior high and high school would be told and would realize that I should get a real job and so I started pursuing sciences and planned to go to university for engineering until my final year. In grade 12 I decided to audition for music school because it was my dream so why not? I wouldn't get in my first year and thought about leaving it there but decided against this. Now that I am essentially more than half way done this music degree, I'm closer to living a portion of this dream I had as a child, of course I'm nothing close to Rockstar (I'll throw a yet in here, cause you'll never know what can happen) but I am pursuing a career within music.

Having said all of this though, I've consistently struggled with keeping my love and passion for all things musical alive during my degree, as sometimes having the thing you enjoy so much be taken over by school can make it a daunting task to even sit down and listen to that Beatles song you loved as a kid. Many times I thought about giving it up and going to do a 'real degree' like many of the examples from this reddit post you mentioned have done but something always brings me back and makes me think to myself that if I do give up I'll end up regretting something so I always stuck with it.

I don't think there is anything wrong with giving up on your dreams, as it doesn't always mean giving up on them either, I'm sure if I had decided to stop pursuing music as a degree and a career no matter what I ended up doing, I would've kept music as a part of my life, just like the many reddit commenters mentioned how this dream they 'gave up' on was still apart of their, they just didn't make it their career.

Cora Cameron said...

This topic has definitely been one that I too have struggled with. This pandemic has exposed a lot of worldly/social things and greatly affected lifestyles, and for those in music careers, its made work extremely difficult (as we all know and relate to). For me, it really changed my thinking on the structures of life that we often set for ourselves, such as the idea of pursuing a dream vs "realistic" careers.

Before getting into music school, I really had no idea what I wanted to study, but music was something that had always supported me through the difficulties of life and was something I was passionate about, so I thought why not. I knew whatever I did, I wanted to help others so I figured Music Therapy would be good reasoning to actually study, after years of people literally telling me that music is a "choice and wasn't important" when it had done so much for me. I was really eager to get started, but then of course life is life - Snowmaggeddon, multiple lockdowns/isolations because of the pandemic on top of trying to navigate online schooling. As someone also mentioned before, the weight of courses that a music degree pressures onto you makes it really hard to enjoy the music you are trying to create, and I too, in all honesty, consider dropping out often.

This doesn't relate to music directly, but over the summer of 2020, I, much like many other students (and profs too!), was ridiculously burnt out. Despite this, as of habit, I wanted to keep pushing myself to be getting things done - I wanted to take spring courses, I needed to practice 24/7 because my confidence as a musician was rock bottom and I was extremely hard on myself, and I needed to continue working a summer job that only really stressed me out... but what was I actually accomplishing? Was I doing it for me, really? So I took a step back and asked myself what was I actually doing vs what do I need/want? I revisited my personal values of life and decided to create opportunity; I quit my job, signed up for a career counselling program, and through that reconnected with past colleagues and landed myself a job working on an organic vegetable farm where I'd literally watch the sun rise over the ocean while picking beans - though it was laborious work, it felt so fulfilling and I've never been happier (and I made good cash, so if that's what you value - boom).

My reasoning for sharing that story is more of a suggestion for changing perception - perhaps it is not to follow through with dreams or quit them, but perhaps it's all more connected - dreams evolve, they expand or change, sometimes intentionally or sometimes organically. They say when one door closes another opens, and it appears that way for all of those Redditor commenters - sometimes the loss of an opportunity means the gain of a better opportunity in waiting. Life guides, but we choose - I think it's a lot more beneficial to have tried something you like/love and either follow through or move on to something else than be stuck in one thing you hate forever (but this is just my opinion, of course). I hadn't thought myself capable of composing, but I decided to try something new keeping this perspective in mind (I love to create, so why not actually give myself the time to do it?), and thus far I am enjoying it and learning something new about myself - I still find this degree quite stressful, but I might as well enjoy the experiences I value in this moment and grow with the possibilities, even if I don't pursue music as a career, since nothing is set in stone :)

Nick Howlett said...

I have been thinking about this sort of thing quite a bit lately, and quite frankly, ever since before coming to music school. When I was in high school, I didn't know what I wanted to do with my life, but I did know I liked playing music and wanted to do as much of that as possible. So, I auditioned to music school in the hopes that I would come up with a plan in the next four years. And I did. But then I changed it, and changed it again, and again, and so on...

I think since starting my degree there have been at least three separate careers I have wanted to pursue. For the longest while I did want a career as a music teacher in the public school system. My dad has been a music teacher here in town since before I was born. Through him I have come to know almost every other music teacher, and they've all told me the same thing: they think I would be great at it, and that I should try and come up with any other field to enter or I will end up hating my life. Much like post secondary institutions, there is a huge shortage of jobs to be had and even if you can get one you will likely have to relocate for years on end or get stuck with a "semi permanent" job (kind of like the per-course instructors). I've gone off on quite a tangent on the state of the education system here in the province, which is not really the point I was trying to make, but here we are.

My goal in life is to have a career where I can support myself and ideally a family, where I can go into work every day and not have a completely miserable time, while still having enough free time for the aforementioned family and hobbies like music. I do not want to be a professional musician. I love music and want to be able to do it for the rest of my life, but it is too risky for me to try and chase after a career. I will continue to be an active member of community groups and ideally even some of the more professional organizations in town like the NSO, but no matter how much money I might be able to make as a musician, I want to have a more stable job where I know that I am secure in my income. There was a brief moment in time where I wanted to do music professionally, but that moment quickly faded. So you could say I gave up on my dream in that regard, but really it was just to make room for new dreams, ones that I haven't quite given up on yet.

Matthew Fillier said...

This is a topic that I frequently think about, Having and pursuing a dream can be a fulfilling idea, but we live in a world that isn't always kind, the world doesn't care what you want, for a lack of better words, it's a "kill or be killed" world. To elaborate on what I mean by that statement: As humans, we have the freedom to do whatever we want (as long as it is legal) but at the end of the day there are bills to pay, families to look after, work to be done around the house, money to be made, the list goes on. The harsh reality is not everybody's dream works out, you have to be thoughtful on how am I going to survive another week (yes this is a rather blunt way to look at it, but it is what it is.)

My father began his own business when I was a young kid, probably around the age of 8, and I remember all too well the struggles of the first years of his businesses growth. But my father had a dream to grow his business, and be able to set my sister and I up for financial security when we are older. Today, my Father owns the most technologically advanced machine shop in Atlantic Canada, manufacturing parts for government agencies, and private companies alike. My father could have easily given up his dream early on, he had to endure long 16+ hour workdays in the first few years of the startup, he made sacrifices so that his business, his dream, could succeed.

One of the dreams I have is to make a career out of music, but I am choosing not to follow this dream. I have met and talked with many musicians who have made their living from performing, and the life they live is far from glorious. When the going is good, it's alright, but along the way there are some real deep and dark low points in their career. I had a guitar teacher when I was in 7th grade who used to write his own music, and made a few albums, but he gave up on his dream. I specifically remember him telling me once during a lesson that he thought he was a failure, nothing more than a bargain bin artist. Music is a volatile field of work, and it can be difficult to make a living at it.

Growing up with a father who was in the trades, he always steered me away from pursuing a career in music, I never quite understood why when I was younger, but it makes sense to me now that I am older and more mature. I remember applying for MUN in grade 12, asking my parents for advice on what degree program to go with, I was told to stay away from music, and do something that will get me a job, I listened to this advice for 2 years until I decided to audition for music school at the end of my second year struggling to find a program I enjoyed. Since being in the music program, I learned that many music undergrads go on to become Medical Doctors (which is my primary dream now), Lawyers, etc... Music school enabled me to realize a new dream, even though it is unrelated to the actual subject area that I am studying every day.

I think there are instances where not giving up on your dream can be feasible, but I also strongly believe that there are times where an individual must suck it up and come to terms with reality, that not everything is sunshine lollipops and rainbows, and the world can be a cruel and unforgiving place. Sometimes giving up on one dream can allow you to recognize and pursue a new dream, possibly something you are even more passionate about! For myself, I am going to continue to make and play music as a hobby, and share my love of music with the world, but I do not plan on making it a primary source of income, or my main goal in life, to me it is not worth the struggle.

Unknown said...

Evan West: I find this blog post really interesting. I love composing and writing music and would hopefully like to make a career out of it but I can definitely see how making something you love into work can make you hate it. If you are overworked or don't get paid fairly for your work, like the guy in vfx, your passion can turn into a task that you "have to do" as opposed to "want to do. "I know that the artistic industry can be cruel and manipulative to young creators and artists who want recognition in their field. It is common for them to do free work for this recognition, but it is extremely important not to sell yourself short or it will just lead to people thinking they can get your work for free. While this went on a bit of a tangent I believe that whether you follow your dreams as an artist it is important to remember that your artistic work has value and that work for "recognition" does not cut it.

Anna James said...

This is something I have often thought about as a musician. Now, nearing the end of year 3 and application dates for other programs looming, this is the million dollar question- what next? I want to do something I love, and I love to sing, perform and make music. However, there are other things/careers and life paths that I think I would love just as much... things that might offer more financial stability..which as stated in the original blog post... helps contribute to overall life stability. So it seems like a simple answer doesn't it? Why would I want to be like the bassoonist in the basement with no where to perform? And as a young soprano I might even have less options than a bassoonist. But then again, I love to sing. I think if you want to be a professional musician, you have to want it 100% and be prepared for grind that comes with it. And somedays I do want it 100% but others only 10%... that's not 100% is it...

Michael O'Keefe-Daw said...

This has been something that has been on my mind lately especially where my 4th year is approaching and turning 25 in a few months. At my age now most of my friends are graduated, have masters degrees or have good entry level positions at their perspective jobs. I know for certain I want to be a musician but in terms of how I can earn a very comfortable income I do not know. I wanna follow my passion but I also don't like being hungry. At some point I do want to settle down and work "a day job" which is why I'm going to do Education after this.

Options are definitely a good thing. That being I cannot settle down and do that until I know I have had some real adventures. When I finish my Ed degree I plan on spending a couple years traveling and doing ESL teaching. These years would not be career focused as I believe life is too short and there's more to life than career prospects. It is definitely difficult to balance our passions and also be pragmatic at the same time. I think it worth measuring our dreams in terms of cost. Is the cost worth it? Who knows.

Matthew Cooper said...

I always question my decision to chase my dream to become an internationally known opera singer mostly because of the struggle I face mentally, but it also has to do with how difficult the program is for me and how stress inducing it is. I've known from a young age that I wanted to be a singer and musician and I work really hard towards that goal.
Unfortunately, I suffer depression and Anxiety, and this has dragged me behind in my degree so many times; whether it's not being able to leave my room for 3-4 weeks because my body shuts down under too much stress or struggling to pay attention and focus because of my short term memory and all the financial issues that we all get battered with. I have always struggled mentally, physically and academically throughout my degree and that really made me question my decision to follow my dream and it makes me question if I made the right decision. I ask myself "why did you chose this path," "Why didn't you do something easier and less stressful," or "Am I going to be successful enough to live comfortably."
I ask myself this but I have no regrets whatsoever. If I had my time back and I knew what I had to go through to get to where I am, I would do it again because Music is a huge passion of mine and I know I was meant to be a Musician, so I am fighting my mental illness as hard as I can and I'm working on my focus and attention skills because I believe I deserve to be happy in the career field of my choice and I am not going to let some limitations that I have in life stop me from pursuing my dreams.
I think the majority of people have no regrets because they ended up with a comfortable life and they don't have the struggle they would have had if they had chosen their dream path.
I think what the majority of people look for is stability and comfort but those few who do chase their dreams are looking for chaos and instability. They know in the end that it will be worth every bit of struggle and heartache that comes along with it because they are doing something they love and are passionate about, so it doesn't matter what their course is, they are living the one life they are given and not everyone is brave enough to go through that and follow their dreams, so they stick with stability and comfort.
That is my view on the topic because stability is comfort and what do people want? to be comfortable and stable.

Emma Hamilton said...

To dream or not to dream is a scary question, especially for those attempting to pursue a creative career. Unlike most office jobs, there is almost no regulation in the field of music, which can be really scary. Aside from (arguably) teaching, there is no “9-5”. There is no clear-cut path of “get X degree, apply to a few different places, and keep this comfortable job until you retire”. In exchange for picking an exciting and fulfilling career, the price you seem to pay is that you never stop working. There is rarely a “final destination” job within music, it is more realistically a career that is made up of constantly hopping between gigwork and hoping that there is enough work available to get you by. Having a musical career is so glamorized in widespread media and popular culture that it makes it easy to forget that it’s not an easy or comfortable job to have. A quote from one of the redditor excerpts that struck me in particular was: "You mean I have to work this hard, only to earn the privilege of working that hard?”. The “hard work”, which appears to disappear in most career paths after settling into a stable job, rarely seems to disappear in a music career. Which raises the question to any musician, is chasing my dream worth it?
This post reminds me a lot of an interview from Kevin Parker, the man behind the psychedelic-rock band Tame Impala. He had always grown up playing instruments and making music, and knew that music was his dream. However, coming out of high school he chooses not to follow it. In the interview he says:
“My dad always warned me not to choose music as a career. He got quite worried and said `if you do music as your job, as the thing that puts food on the table, then it will instantly ruin its magic, it won't be mysterious and fun any more, it would just be like work’.”
Honestly, this is something that I find worrying too, and I can imagine most musicians do as well. If this becomes the thing that I do for work, how am I supposed to enjoy it anymore? If my outlet to escape the stressors of work and life suddenly turns into my work and my life, where am I supposed to turn if things don’t work out? What if I ruin music for myself forever?
In the end, Kevin ends up pursuing undergraduate studies in Astronomy. While driving to his very last exam, he gets a call from a record label saying that they want to sign Tame Impala, literally turns his car around, and never looks back. I’ve always found this story inspiring as a musician. There was some magical force that kept Kevin trying after all those years of discouragement and fear of pursuing his dream, and eventually it worked and it paid off in spades. Tame Impala is currently ranked #263 in the world on Spotify’s top 500 artists feature.

A link to the interview (quote at 3:17): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiQDa2ancTU

Liam Kuhn said...

When I started thinking that I did want a career in music I of course thought big and far out from my experience and capabilities. I wanted to be a rockstar performing all the time with massive audiences gathering to watch my perform my own material. As most people, I was thinking way too far in the future and I had no way to reasonably argue that it would be a perfect path for me other than I just felt like I needed to be a rockstar. It turns out part of me does not want to be a rockstar anymore because I have realized that those life choses that come with that life I naturally don't really feel. I have mostly given up my dream to be a rockstar but I have also given up my dream to be spiderman and Jedi. However, with going to university and other life experiences such as a break up of a relationship and a need to create, I have been following a path to better myself at composition because I just get complete joy from composing and it naturally fits my personality more than being a rockstar. So with all if this being said, I think we have multiple big dreams through our lives but only some of us have the power and the fortune to pursue our most realistic/ passionate dreams that are obtainable.

Madison Mouland said...

I have never had another job besides one in the music industry. I have been working as a musician since I was seventeen years old. I have worked under Mr. Eric West of the Soundbone Traditional Arts Foundation as a Cultural Ambassador, an assistant choir director, and as a artist in residence. I, of course, am extremely lucky to have a wonderful foundation behind me who supports my music, because not everyone has such luck. I have always dreamed of being a musician, and I followed that dream, however, I am only young and I have had very supportive parents helping me out when I needed money.

Once I finish university, I have a plan of becoming a music teacher. This plan has two purposes; One, I want to be a music teacher very badly, and two, it is one of the best stable music careers. Following your dreams of being a musician sounds great in theory, until suddenly, you have no pension plan, retirement plan, maternity leave, job security, unemployment insurance, an unstable union, etc.. It is extremely difficult to successfully live as a full time musician, without giving up some stability and things to fall back on.

As a young person, I have had every opportunity to live my musical dreams, but once I have to pay a mortgage, take care of children, pay all of my own bills, etc., then stability will be more important than dreams. I think what I'm basically saying is, you really need to think to yourself; can I REALLY do this? Or is this just a dream that cannot be realistic?

Becoming a professional in the music industry requires enough bravery to work through the money issues, a lot of work (like, a lot, LOT of work), a fully supportive family and friends circle around you, other musicians to help you succeed, immense skill, and a whole lot of love for what you do. If you have all of those things, you can succeed, but if not, you have to recognize that for yourself and make your choices and changes accordingly. Dreams do not just magically become a reality, you have to make them you're reality, but no one said it was impossible! :)

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Mason Power said...

When I decided to pursue music as a career, I figured I would end up being either a performer or a teacher, or some combination of both. Now, I'm nearing the end of my degree, and I'm not entirely sure if I like doing either. Performing, in many cases, fills me with extreme anxiety to the point where I'd rather die (dramatic, I know), and I also don't have enough experience with teaching to know if I like doing that either. After realizing my phobia of performing, I almost abandoned my music degree after my first year and considered going into another subject. Thanks to my complete inability to make decisions, I ended up sticking with music and just hoped that I would eventually figure out what I was doing. I have since turned my attention more toward composing, and have discovered that I really enjoy the painstaking process of spending 6 hours coming up with literal garbage, just for the one moment of satisfaction I get from writing something that I really like. The whole point of this is that, not following through with your dreams and goals doesn't necessarily mean that you gave up on them. It might just mean that the dream evolved because you realized that there's something out there that is better suited to you.

Elizabeth Johnson said...

I think a dream is forever changing and evolving to suit your needs. For me, I had always had a dream, or desire? to persue music. When I was younger it was to be a pop star, like most kids dream about. But as I grew older, I realized that if I genuinely wanted to have music in my life, I needed to find a way that would be practical. While I applaud those who follow those performing dreams, it was not something that alined with my other future plans and goals, that are centered outside of my career.
I think the whole purpose of having a dream, is to give yourself life purpose and a direction for the future. I do not think deviating from these plans make you a failure, and I think it builds character and shows growth when a dream evolves. I think people put their lives on a timeline, and see some education as a waste because it didn't lead them to their dream, but I think it is so important to do what you enjoy. Whether or not your future career or life lines up with doing exactly what you study, your past leads you to your future. I think musicians relate very heavily to missing out on their dreams.

Liam Butler said...

I particularly like your point at the end, Dr. Ross. "However, many people either achieve their dreams, or, in the course of attempting to reach their initial objective discover that there are other dreams they would rather pursue, and they do so successfully and happily." I feel as though this can largely be said even for those who do "give up" on their initial aspirations.

Certainly, there are problematic implications for any number of professions which one would like to take up, often difficult to foresee without already working at a high level in that field (e.g. achieving university tenure, working unreasonable hours in the VFX industry, etc). It is simply one's actual integration with this work that lays bare all of the unsightly elements thereof. I feel as though most young people who dream of becoming professional musicians do not also dream about starving, or of having little job security. The dream exists through their passion for the arts, and their desire for personally gratifying work. It is assumed that sustenance will follow, because most privileged young people are not sensitive to the material issues of living on this planet. I can't accept that for one to come to terms with grim professional realities and then take up a different path is the same as giving up on their dream. I see it rather as a realization that their dream cannot be realized in quite the way that they had dreamt it.

When dreams of food, travel, marriage, home and job security take hold, then the trajectory may change. One will seek a dream which hopefully allows them to use their natural skills and interests while still being capable of looking after their own well-being. I find that most of the examples you cited from this post speak to this narrative: Even after "giving up" on a dream, one is still given to ending up in another field for which they already have an aptitude and often some experience. They are able to avail of the livelihood and professional satisfaction which they sought from their original dream, all the while having their leisure time to explore their original passion, perhaps with less exhaustion and more fervor then they might have had as a "professional" (my mind considers Charles Ives the insurance salesman, Herbie Hancock the electrical engineer, Spinoza the lens-grinder).

In conclusion, I regard the idea that any of these people had truly "given up" on their dreams with suspicion, and would suggest rather that after seeing the implications of their dreams in greater focus, they decide to dream elsewhere, or in two places at once.

David Eguiguren said...

I really liked the post! I think it contains a lot of truth, which sometimes is hard to hear (like in this case). I think that, sadly and most of the time, getting a good job involves a lot more luck than skill and degrees. I have a friend of a friend who is a millionaire composer. My friend once heard one of my compositions and showed it to the millionaire composer who by pure chance was looking for a new assistant because his previous assistant ate too much chocolate and died. He hired me. I get paid well and I love my job! I would really recommend everyone on earth to be a composer/composer assistant! On the other hand, there's a much more talented composer who didn't have good social skills so he never had the chance of meeting the millionaire composer and getting hired for that position.

This story is of course fake but it contains a timeline that is completely possible and it has definitely happened to people in the past, with some degree of variation.

I don’t think luck is everything you need to be successful, but without being in the right moment at the right time, no one would ever be successful.

Kaitlin White said...

Personally, I think one should go with their dreams for as long as they think it will make them happy. As stated in the post, dreams can change, as it did for most of the people it seems, and that’s okay. In the same breath, I can understand why some people leave one dream for another. Some dreams achieved are simply not sustainable.

In my experience, my dream of being a (hopefully good) musician and composer has been heaven at times while being a living hell during others, but I keep chasing because the good outweighs the bad (and there really isn’t much bad). I’m very open to doing different things within the industry and I have learned enough about myself over the past 5 years, roughly, that if I am in a place where I can be creative freely, I will be happy! I came into this degree knowing I wanted to become a composer and have since then learned that I really do enjoy it and believe that I can find joy in creating music in the long run.

I think it’s okay and perfectly normal to question whether or not you should follow a dream. I have many times and many people have questioned me for pursuing music, but I also think that you really do have to trust your gut with things like this after some logical thought on the subject.

Andrew Dunphy said...

I think having a dream, in one way or another, is a thing that most people can relate to, especially those in the process of perusing endeavours like university degrees. However, the dreams associated and commonly held by students in the arts (especially music)can tend to be more fantastic or unobtainable then others. As this post has demonstrated, the arts industry can be extremely cut throat, and there tends to be little mid-ground in terms of how lucrative it is, with most individuals being quite wealthy or (far more commonly) struggling financially.
I do feel however, that even if ones large dreams of artist stardom are not realised, there can always be a place for them within the artistic industry. Art is everywhere, and by definition some person has to create it. Though it may not be as glamorous as a famed and revered artist, these positions can provide artistic fulfillment, which hopefully is enough to fulfill a artistic dream (as well as hopefully a comfortable way of life).
Personally, I would be fulfilled working with music in anyway. While this can still present many challenges, and is not an easy career path, I feel it is fairly obtainable as far as dreams go. I feel keeping a dream, as long with an open mind is the best way to navigate this industry.

Adam Janes said...

This post definitely tells a large tale of life those first few years after highschool if you ask me personally. Normally after high school, that is the time where you see a lot of people whether they know what they want to do/be and those who have no clue all collectively figure it out. I find everything happens for a reason, and as long as you be yourself everything will work out, but at times some of the best things that can happen in life are actually from stopping what you’re doing right now to weigh options. If it wasn’t for me doing that my first few years of university I would’ve never been in music school. I was struggling with balancing both an athletic and musical life growing up making sure I had time for both, but as I got to highschool, I was getting frustrated with music so I gave it up for a year to enjoy sports while I was in school. When I first came to university, I was doing kinesiology and playing college basketball because I thought it was my dream to be a college or maybe even pro athlete or physiotherapist, but in reality I missed music and all the aspects of it more than anything else. I wasn’t enjoying sports or kinesiology like I thought I would’ve and honestly If I didn’t give up on college level sports, I probably would’ve never gone back to the school of music even though I still believe today I truly made the right decision everytime on following my true passion musically. I can’t imagine now not letting go of sports and kinesiology to go to music school, but I hope this is a good real life example/relation to what I think the purpose of this article really is! It definitely brought back some joy and memories!

Claire Bates said...

Dr. Ross,

Thanks for being so open and willing to share these stories. I've been thinking about this a lot lately. In my heart, I want to be a choral conductor and know that I want it to be my full-time gig someday. But, I also know that I want to raise a family and conducting evening rehearsals for my entire career may not jive with the the personal/home life I envision. I am almost done my undergrad, and I really want to immediately pursue a masters in choral conducting yet I know that I realistically need the education degree and qualifications to be able to teach in the school system. While teaching in the school system isn't my number 1 dream of life, I am very passionate about education and I think it will be the perfect blend of security, time for home-life and a job I love. That being said, I know I will want to have some level of professional choral musicianship in my life. So, right now my plan is to finish my BMus, then do my BEd followed by a masters in choral conducting. How those will all come together in my long-term career is still to be determined. I consider myself one of the lucky ones because I feel like my plan B is pretty close to my dream, and pretty reliable in terms of job-security. But it's hard to know the difference between giving up too soon and starting to shift realistically. There also seems to be a lot narrative about "never giving up your dream," a big part of growing up for me is that sometimes letting go of the dream is the best move.

Claire

Liam Kuhn said...

I think that you should follow your dreams and receive success in doing so, but it is true that your dreams can change throughout your life. I personally have been wanting a career in music seriously since I was 15 years old. I will say that my dreams have slightly changed as I have gotten older and I think wiser. I don't necessarily want to be a rocker star anymore partially because the world is not as it was from even 10 years back in the music industry. I don't want to be a rockstar anymore also for reasons that I overthink and I want more of a mixer of academic life mixed with a hippie life. I can say I don't really like most drugs and that is an appeal for some people in that kind of profession. I think you should follow a specific dream until your mind tells you it is the wrong path (from multiple interjections). If I gave up on my compositional dream whatever that may entail in the future, that would be metaphorical suicide. The way I express myself, any joy is through composing. I express anguish through music and all philosophical topics I can comprehend through compostion. I am not like most people I believe. I like the suffering through art because it reflects the suffering I see through others and feel everyday.

Frank O'Brien said...

As I enter the last few days of my undergraduate degree, I am thinking about where I was in the very first week of my degree, in September 2019. That feels like a lifetime ago, to put it lightly. I wanted to go to medical school, and was taking Psych 1000 as an elective. But, in the back of my mind, I dreamed of being a writer and composer for film, television, and video games. It was something that captured my attention ever since I was a little boy, playing Mario on my DS at age 7 and being so captivated by the UNBELIEVABLE score (not knowing that’s what it was called at the time, I just loved it but kept it to myself). When I got to junior high, I became more entranced by the scores of popular TV shows, such as Game of Thrones. I thought it would be so cool to write scores for stuff like that. Many years later, in Winter 2021, I took the Intro to Composition course for fun, and in the back of my mind, to see if there was maybe something there. When Dr. Ross liked my chords that I created, all of a sudden I felt this drive to really try this composing thing out and develop my skills. (Thank you, thank you, thank you, Dr. Ross!!!!) All this being said, dreaming big does not work out for everyone. However, if people put in a lot of hard work and passion for their dream, then it might just come true. There is something else not said here that greatly aids people in achieving their dreams, and that is someone “cheering them on” and not immediately counting them out. Having someone see something in you is such a beautiful thing, and for something that you actually want to pursue in life, it’s amazing. I barely remember Winter 2021, as it was the second half of the infamous Zoom University. But, I remember Intro to Composition so vividly. I was dreaming big then, and it felt good. In a time where there was no hope for the world, learning to compose, in a way, revived me. Ke Huy Quan had his “15 minutes” as a child actor back in the 80s, and then in the 90s, he sat by his phone waiting for it to ring with another gig. It didn’t. That is, until, the incredible movie “Everything Everywhere All at Once” came about, and he got an Oscar. Ke Huy Quan wouldn’t have gotten back into acting if it wasn’t for someone saying “you should go for this role”. I wouldn’t be preparing for a recital in which the entire program was composed by me if Dr. Ross didn’t praise my chords that day over Zoom. Having people in your corner to cheer you on for your dream, especially those with knowledge of what the dream takes, means the world. Plan B’s are important, but you should never stop trying to achieve Plan A, even if it’s just a little bit here and there. As a collective, we are responsive to the energies of the people around us. Those big dreams may come crashing down from too many “no’s”, but it only takes one “yes” to change everything. Once my undergraduate degree ends (in like…a few days. WHAT?!?!), I will keep composing and developing my skills, but my end goal in life isn’t to be Hans Zimmer 2.0, it is to be happy. I could become Hans Zimmer 2.0, win Oscars for my scores and screenplays, but a statue of a bald man does not guarantee my happiness. What I do know about my future is this: preparing for SPECTRUM (my recital’s title), has been a LOT of hard, hard work. However, it hasn’t felt like a burden or like a weight on my shoulder. Since I love composing and music making with my friends, preparing for this recital has been a lot of fun. It has made me so happy. Rest assured, I will keep on composing and music making since it makes me so happy. I will forever be grateful for you, Dr. Ross! Thank you for complimenting my chords (that I created in 15 minutes in a rush). No, but seriously, it’s been a pleasure!

Natalie Young said...

This topic has sat in the back of my mind for a while. This post made me think alot of the difficulties of following your dreams within any career in the arts. Often growing up, we're told to choose something we like and make a career out of it. However when it comes to fields specifically in the arts, following your dreams becomes much more complicated. This post talks alot about the issues of following your dreams as a music educator. But in most other career branches in music and arts (such as performing) similar issues arrise. Getting a secondary education in general is expensive. But for music, if you don't go to one of the larger "well known" prestigious institutions, your limited career options become more limited. It’s extremely hard to be taken seriously in the arts, and often it’s never considered a viable career. And this isn't without reason. Daring to dream big in this field often results in a world of hardship, both emotionally and finacially. Which makes it difficult to see the dream to its full potential. However, as shown throughout this post, you don't always have to follow your dreams to their potential to find happiness. Your dreams can shift and evolve as you grow and change, so I would never think it a bad thing to pursue a dream in music if you have one. It's difficult most of the time but also extremely rewarding, and as shown in this post while pursuing one dream, you may find you have another that serves you better.

Michael Grandy said...

Very interesting post and makes me reflect on my past dreams and hopes. I have always wanted to have a career in music, but as I got older, what musical career that I wanted changed. when I was 15, I was convinced that I was gonna be a smash hit DJ and be famous. Im 20 now and I just want a career in music. wether it be composing, performing, or teaching. My career desires are far broader and wiser than they were just 5 years ago. I feel everyday I am one step closer to these dreams being accomplished, and I find myself blessed. This is because not everyone has the opportunity to chase their dreams. There's absolutely nothing wrong with not achieving your dreams, it doesn't make you a failure. sometimes your dreams need to fail for you to find something far better for you.

Emma Meade said...

Up until grade 12, I struggled with what path to take after school. I had the choice of following my dream of being a music teacher, or pick the safer option of getting a trade. I’m glad I decided to follow my dream and perusing a career in music. Following my dream has been anything but easy, pushing me to my limits. Even if my plans change for wanting to be a music teacher in public schools, I could always teach music privately while working a job that could better help me financially. Either way, I’m glad I’m currently following my dreams in music but I’m also glad I had a plan b of doing a trade in my back pocket in case my dreams fell through (if I didn’t get accepted). This post made me reflect to when I was younger and how my dreams frequently changed but music stayed consistent in my life, proving music hasn’t failed me (yet). I understand following your dreams doesn’t always mean you find happiness, but the joy I feel when a student leaves a lesson smiling, excited to show their parents what they learned, makes it worth it. I know this post is more on the cons side but the pros in music will always outweigh the cons.

Emily Pynn said...

Very well said. As someone who is pretty heavily considering getting a PHD and going into university teaching, this was very interesting and really resonated with me. I don't know how, but I never actually really considered how difficult it would be to get a job as a tenured university professor. Also side note- the term "per-course teaching slave" is unfortunately very accurate!!

My whole life leading up to highschool, my dream was to go to med school and become a doctor; until I actually did a biology course for the first time and realized that I hated it (and also had the memory of a dead goldfish). So I think it's also important to realize, like you said, that sometimes "we generally don’t have an accurate sense of what our dream job will entail until we actually start doing the job" (or at least, prepare for the job). Once I realized I hated basically everything med related, I sort of had a moment of "...What do I do now?" and I turned to one of the only things I was actually decent at, which was music. From highschool on I knew that music was the thing I was definitely going to pursue as a career, but my (and probably also my parents') biggest concern was money. The salary jump from doctor to musician is not a nice one, and is something I worry about often. That's a big part of the reason why I considered becoming a university professor, for the stable income. But if I don't get a job as a professor, I'm not exactly sure what I'll do.

I firmly believe that if I quit pursuing music as a career, I would never truly feel fulfilled in life. Nothing else in life comes close to the feeling I get when I make music; whether it be solo playing, singing in a choir, or playing in an ensemble. It's like magic. Music truly is food for the soul; you'd have to be crazy not to pursue that. However, if I can't find a job that makes enough money, I literally will not be able to afford to live. It's unfortunate that in this business I feel like you have to be some combination of lucky or incredibly persistent to get some kind of stable career.

For most of us though, music is something that IS worth being persistent and working incredibly hard. But it is truly unfortunate that a stable income is more difficult to find in the music industry than others. So I guess the question is, "is it worth it to pursue your dreams?" and my answer is, I have no idea, but I'm going to do it anyway. Ask me in 50 years.